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A pregnant woman drift to 12k world.

Muhahahahaaaaa tentei !!! Hope you have enough painkillers to solve this delicate problem

One would think it's gotta happen. Especially since there was a comment that at one time in the past a Shoku brought many across at one time. Would be miserable for the woman unless she stayed in a community of her kind. Not much knowledge or sympathy elsewhere. Hmmmm.

Do Kaikyaku still reproduce the regular way, or do they have to pray for a child like everyone else? It seems to me if two Kaikyaku get together it would still work like usual . . . which means there are probably doctors who can cope with that sort of situation in En, at least.

But, I'm assuming a Kaikyaku and a regular citizen would have to tie the ribbon to the branch and pray . . .

What would happen? What do you think?

If the fetus survived (which considering most grown humans dont), the mother would be found, prob treated (not all countrys are like Kou was). Lets say hypatheticaly she arrives in En.

In en, there are Kaikyaku. She would prob give birth with either the help of other Kaikyaku, or heck even any other person, or alone. Remember, you can give birth by yourself, its just not that fun now is it

The child would be Kaikyaku, but would grow up learning prob both Japanese AND the 12K language. Im basing this on what happens when people from other countrys come here, their kids usualy know their parents language and the language spoken there.

Now, the only thing I can think of that would make it so that no one born in the 12k would be if they were born Steryl. So, the Kaikyaku child could prob both either pray at the Riboku, or get married and have a child the 'natural' way with anouther Kaikyaku. Remember, the Kaikyaku child was consived in Japan, so the laws of the 12K's citizens biology do not nessisarly apply to it.

How about the reverse? The fetus leaves the womb and is transplanted to a riboku?

Most kaikyaku die after being swept into Tokoyo by a Shoku. The odds of a pregnant woman and her child surviving are quite low so it may never happen.

Tentei favors me this day.


Ummm... do I get a prize?

Still not convinced.
Suzu was so easily swept into 12K in one piece. A contradiction that delicate infant ranka are swept out without complications yet a Mom is not a plant so reversing the process would result in a Mom w/o any idea where her ranka child is, even if a miracle returned her to pre-baby normal. How would they reunite? Other parents assume the child w/o knowing?
Somehow I don't think Tentei would kill any baby. More like a shoku may kill a traveler and it may not. Destiny? Storyline? Hmmm?

Nobody said life is fair. Most likely the child becomes a riboku fruit for an expectant couple. That's what usually happens to taika, right? Nobody has really cared about who the expectant parents were. Otherwise, we would care more about who Youko's parents really are. I think biology is impairing your judgement.

As for Suzu, she was very lucky she was picked up. Most kaikyaku likely drown before they reach the shore.

Edit: Oops, I meant to say taika.

Mom would probably go, "Woah, I'm skinny! Where's my baby?" *sobs for a while* Then goes off and does her thing.

So much for Tentei as a merciful, caring and understanding God

Greetz,
Shilahr

DrifterX, Hanjyuu
Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2003 3:44 am    Post subject:
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Nobody said life is fair. Most likely the child becomes a riboku fruit for an expectant couple. That's what usually happens to taika, right? Nobody has really cared about who the expectant parents were. Otherwise, we would care more about who Youko's parents really are. I think biology is impairing your judgement.
As for Suzu, she was very lucky she was picked up. Most kaikyaku likely drown before they reach the shore. Edit: Oops, I meant to say taika.

Getting personal or just firing a shot because you want the last word? Fortunately, I have a sense of humor to go with my intact judgement.

A big problem with 12K (E1-39) is that the laws or foundations of most of it are at best loosely established often by a single comment or event and then altered ( or partly "clarified") later by any character in any given situation.

Example, Yoko does want to uncover who her parents are and Rakushun said they could be traced by prolonged searching in the archives. Apparently parents do matter since Yoko has been called an Imperial Child long before she took the throne perhaps due to more than just Tentei said so. Closing one's mind to possible outcomes, biological or creative, is the choice of another, not I.

We have no actual numbers of surviving kaikyaku or taika, just a comment by Keiki that few cross safely alone. Perhaps he is being his usual minimal self by withholding the full explanation. The reason for emperors ruling over kirin is likely the inflexibility and reserve of kirin due to their nature. Kirin do not have the choice to choose the best ruler, only the ruler for now. The wisest therefore are the emperors provided they have the combination of birth-blood, upbringing, and integrity to follow their intuition and say no to their kirin and therefore God, when necessary.

Maybe, maybe not.

Even if it did matter who becomes the surrogate parent and who is robbed of their child ie. fate, it does not invalidate the reversal of the ranka-taika process. That is all there is to what I'm saying. I thought that perhaps the bilogical nature of 'birth' for Hourai humans is clouding your judgement on whether it is fair for a kaikyaku to lose her child, thus your concern for a reunion and whether Tentei would allow such an event, etc. Maybe I'm wrong and if so I apologize.

As for the survival rate of kaikyaku, I was going by what the people of Kou said about how normally they wound up ashore already dead. *shrug*

drifterx
Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2003 8:24 am    Post subject:
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Even if it did matter who becomes the surrogate parent and who is robbed of their child ie. fate, it does not invalidate the reversal of the ranka-taika process. That is all there is to what I'm saying. I thought that perhaps the bilogical nature of 'birth' for Hourai humans is clouding your judgement on whether it is fair for a kaikyaku to lose her child, thus your concern for a reunion and whether Tentei would allow such an event, etc. Maybe I'm wrong and if so I apologize.

As for the survival rate of kaikyaku, I was going by what the people of Kou said about how normally they wound up ashore already dead. *shrug*

Clarification accepted, though there is no wrong here unless you have spoiler knowledge or are referring to the novels as source. I am careful to note my only info source are the anime (at this point) leaving the door wide open for many points of view since the anime doesn't seem to have time to confirm implied or passing statements. As to the influence of Hourai biology on 12K biology, fairness has nothing to do with it nor do Hourai biology rules. Simply following the process back as the original post suggested and find the reversal process theory controversial for the Mom and child. Always killing them off in the Shoku suggests other dubious moral problems with the 12K world. Curious Yuoko cares about her parentage and Rakushun says it can be traced and there are records when it doesn't matter who the parents are... ? There is no right or wrong POV unless you have other knowledge not sourced here, then it would be considered differently.

I read Chapter 1 translation meanwhile and can see the details and character insights missing from the anime. While it seems small, the haircolor problem was presented in the anime as her choice to dye it red making Yuoko appear rebellious. Yet the text has her haircolor as natural
darkening on it's own and she being victimized for her natural condition. In one case she's the aggressor, in the other, just trying to fit in (arguing with her Mom NOT to dye her hair black since it is against school policy). Makes a difference when shaping the impression a character and anticipating future actions (viewers and readers get involved and care in this way).

As to Shoku survival rates, just because a number of people are found dead doesn't mean an equal or greater number weren't found but are alive. Perhaps as the text translations become available the author's intent will be stated more fully. Eh.

Understood (in a positive way)

Meant only to participate, not get snitty. As to what is important to a (new) fan, it's your forum, you say which topics/responses are worthy. Hard to get involved when sighed at and judgement in question over unimportant topics (I know it's not life and death, just standing up for a point of view hopefully in a fun and intelligent way). This is why I don't IRC, too much high speed traffic with insider culture, hard to merge into.

Backing away.