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Amount of People in there world?
Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 6:06 pm
by Titan
How many people do you think lives in the world of The twelve kingdoms?
I'm asking this corse i'm not so sure to how large each of the kingdoms are... for some reason my mind tells me each kingdom is the size of a continent...
Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 6:28 pm
by EternityOfPain
I said Over 100 million. With 12 countries + the center island there is millions of people easily.. If you compare the islands to the pictures of japan then you can see just how bigger the Juuni Kokki world is. Of course land mass doesn't always intail large population but I just assume from what I have seen throughout the show looks to be over 100 million

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 7:47 pm
by Titan
hmm... by any chance could you tell me where i can see that picture?
Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 1:39 am
by EternityOfPain
Humm I will have to go and look back but the scene is when Yoko is showing Rakashun Japan through her sword. I believe it takes place in episode 13. Don't have access to my DVDs till Tuesday/Wednesday but when i do i will post the screencap here.
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:50 pm
by Titan
Im getting a bit more confused about the size of there world... Takki tells Youko it'll take roffly 3 months to walk to the easten most part of Koou to the western most part of Kou(Same from N & S)
So if we were to presume she walked 15 km a day thats would be 450 for 1 month making it 1350 km over 3 months... so if we were to say 1350 km * 1350 km...=1.822.500 km^2(around the size of Mexico)
And if we were to streach it 20 km a day and use 31 days insted...620 * 3= 1860 km
1860 km * 1860 km= 3.459.600 km^2(around the size of India)
ain't sounding that unlikely to me... if someone notic some mistakes plz note em.
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 10:37 am
by Elysium
There has been some similar discussions in
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Titan wrote:Im getting a bit more confused about the size of there world... Takki tells Youko it'll take roffly 3 months to walk to the easten most part of Koou to the western most part of Kou(Same from N & S)
So if we were to presume she walked 15 km a day thats would be 450 for 1 month making it 1350 km over 3 months... so if we were to say 1350 km * 1350 km...=1.822.500 km^2(around the size of Mexico)
And if we were to streach it 20 km a day and use 31 days insted...620 * 3= 1860 km
1860 km * 1860 km= 3.459.600 km^2(around the size of India)
ain't sounding that unlikely to me... if someone notic some mistakes plz note em.
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 12:07 pm
by EternityOfPain
Well, I checked episode 13 during the scene Yoko is showing Japan to Rakushun however it never showed the size of japan just her local town. I will continue to look for the part and let you guys knwo if I do find it.
However I must say I like Titan's way of figureing out the size of the world. I guess the only real problem would be that you dont know how many people per mile.. I do admit that in the major cities there seems to be millions of people but outside the city there are few not to mention those countries that have fallen to poverty do to a lack of king / queen so people in them wont be very large.. Really tough call.
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 6:23 pm
by Titan
My best bet atm is each kingdoms has a population at around 25-30 million.(thinking as a max)
But if someone were to have the amoount of distrect etc that might help along with this quote:
"There are a handful of districts in a province. How many's a handful depends, though. Each district has a population of fifty thousand households. Each district has four prefectures with a population of twelve thousand, five hundred. There are five counties to a prefecture."
This one:
"This is the town of Hairou. Hairou is in Shin, a county of Rokou. Rokou is a prefecture of Fuyou, which is a district in Jun. Jun is a province in the Kingdom of Kou"
and this one:
Starting with hamlets of twenty-five households, it goes, from smallest to largest: hamlet, town, township, county, prefecture, district, a."
"How many districts are in a province?"
"It depends on the location."
"If this is a prefectural seat, then district and provincial capitals must be huge."
According to official designations, a district capital was a city that was home to a district administration, also called a district seat. For administrative purposes, districts were designated as having populations of fifty thousand households, though that didn't necessarily mean that fifty thousand people lived in a single district. Generally speaking, it terms of urbanization, a town was bigger than a hamlet, a district capital bigger than a county seat, the capital of a province bigger than a district capital
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 4:10 am
by Elysium
I was browsing through "The Twelve Kingdoms Encyclopedia" and came across some interesting facts.
This world is flat. The horizon is not arc.
Population: 3,000,000 / country
A country is a size like China.(9,600,000 square kilometers)
About 3100km of every direction
The total area of land is 124,800,000 square kilometers.
The total area of the land on the earth is 149,890,000 square kilometers.
It is fewer than the area of the land on the earth.
It takes three months for east and west and north and south on foot each.
A gate is located in this world in a town and a bivouac is impossible, the distance which people will walk on a day becomes less than the world here. The distance which people will walk on a day is about 35km generally.
These texts can be found here:
http://12kirin.fc2web.com/kon/12kokuki_map.htm
I don't know how official these numbers are, but they seem reasonable.
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 8:06 am
by Jinx999
Elysium wrote:Population: 3,000,000 / country
A country is a size like China.(9,600,000 square kilometers)
About 3100km of every direction
The total area of land is 124,800,000 square kilometers.
The total area of the land on the earth is 149,890,000 square kilometers.
It is fewer than the area of the land on the earth.
http://12kirin.fc2web.com/kon/12kokuki_map.htm
I don't know how official these numbers are, but they seem reasonable.
That's a population density of one person per 3 square kilometers. That's tiny - considerably less than any country in the world - even Western Sahara has a population density of 1.3 per km2. Considering how common subsistence farming is in third world countries - I'll regard any argument based on technology level with distain. Besides - mechanised farming doesn't increase the yield per acre - it increases the yield per farmer.
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 9:10 am
by Elysium
Jinx999 wrote:
That's a population density of one person per 3 square kilometers. That's tiny - considerably less than any country in the world - even Western Sahara has a population density of 1.3 per km2. Considering how common subsistence farming is in third world countries - I'll regard any argument based on technology level with distain. Besides - mechanised farming doesn't increase the yield per acre - it increases the yield per farmer.
Maybe everyone in 12k are in the fishing business like on Greenland.

Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:59 pm
by zitch
That's a population density of one person per 3 square kilometers. That's tiny - considerably less than any country in the world - even Western Sahara has a population density of 1.3 per km2.
That does seem low. Then again, this is a world that the heavens seem to have quite a bit of control over the birthrate. It's possible that they're keeping the population stable.
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 7:47 pm
by Titan
Well sounds likely... afterall if you look at the amount of Humans there should Naturally be in our world... it should be 2 millions at max worldwide.
Still 35 km a day over 90 days...

thats endurance
Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:57 am
by Jinx999
Titan wrote:Well sounds likely... afterall if you look at the amount of Humans there should Naturally be in our world... it should be 2 millions at max worldwide.
This is based on what exactly? Looking at the historical estimates of world population
http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/worldhis.html, The Earths human population exceded 2 million before 10,000BC (Neolithic times). I always get worried when people start talking about the "natural human population", espeically when they capitalise "natural" - it's a small step from deciding that something is Natural to deciding that it should be so.
Looking at that, I think a more reaonable lower bound for a kingdom's population is 30 million.
Given that the twelve kingdoms seems to have more usable land area than Earth (no big deserts or ice caps), a higher population could easily be justified.
Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:19 am
by Titan
Can't remember where i read it, its around 4 years ago atleast... But it was comparing to any other major predator aka Wolfs, Bears, Lions etc. with how much space that should be used, for nature to stay stabil.
Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 3:41 am
by Jinx999
Humans are "top predators", given that they can kill anything else on Earth with fairly basic technology and some brains. However, they are NOT exclusive carnivores and for the bulk of history, the bulk of humanity has got it's food almost entirely from vegetable sources. You source has apparantly confused humanity as "top predator" with being exclusively carnivorous.
Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 6:22 pm
by Titan
Or they might have taken into account how much Humannity changes the landscape... Which leads to death of many other creatures.
Well to say something else... No humans want to lose, combining that with our growing population and attitude will make Nature lose... If nature lose we all lose in the end
